slowmo vid from fort william and lawlor. tons of cool stuff to check out and see suspension moving (we're calling it bike magic this year instead of bike abuse b/c the algorithm does not like violence LOL)
ASA and Luca both running 'sensors' on their brake levers. Easier to see on Asa's. Looks like proximity sensor between lever and bar to measure how much/when they're braking. This might be part of normal telemetry setup but was on 'race day'?
I’d love to know if Acros is paying companies to run they’re plastic crap headsets
Coming up 12 months on mine, zero issues & it's been thrashed at Queenstown, coronet, cardrona and even survived the bone rattler in the adventure park.
Has anyone put together or worked out how many of the top 5/10 from this weekend were on electric suspension of some type?
1. Loic -...
Has anyone put together or worked out how many of the top 5/10 from this weekend were on electric suspension of some type?
1. Loic - yes
2. Troy - yes
3. Finn - yes
4. Dak - no
5. Luca - yes
1. Vali - yes
2. Nina - no
3. Tahnee - no
4. Camille - no
5. Gloria Scarsi - ?
seems like electronic suspension is here to stay even in DH. i love innovation but am not a big fan when it‘s getting too far so that it isn‘t a leveled playing field anymore. since only the top factory riders are gonna have the chance of using that stuff it‘s gonna get harder for the smaller teams who don‘t have access to it. they are already at a disadvantage when i look at how many line spotters the big teams employ. before you could at least buy the same suspension as the factory guys. time will tell if my concerns are valid
Is there a rule that they can not have any two way GPS communication on the bikes? I dont feel like we are super far off from them being able to collect enough data that they can have the suspension settings change according to GPS position and get rid of the buttons all together.
They should probably have a rule that states that, they have a similar rule in Supercross GPS usage is allowed but nothing is allowed to be two way communicated so its purely data acquisition.
seems like electronic suspension is here to stay even in DH. i love innovation but am not a big fan when it‘s getting too far so...
seems like electronic suspension is here to stay even in DH. i love innovation but am not a big fan when it‘s getting too far so that it isn‘t a leveled playing field anymore. since only the top factory riders are gonna have the chance of using that stuff it‘s gonna get harder for the smaller teams who don‘t have access to it. they are already at a disadvantage when i look at how many line spotters the big teams employ. before you could at least buy the same suspension as the factory guys. time will tell if my concerns are valid
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket even). Rockshox product is basically ready for sale now. ... And Fox will probably catch up enough that most of their world cup athletes will be on it next season. Ohlin's athletes might be up shit creek though as they've moving much slower.
The electronic lockout/firm up definitely made a difference on tracks like Fort William where there is a lot of out of the saddle sprinting. Locking a shock out (or even putting it in trail mode) on a 140mm bike makes a difference in a sprint. Let alone a 200mm bike with coil shock! It is entirely possible that those with lock-out/firm up were able to make 2-3 seconds (easily more) of time up because of it on a pedally track like Fort William. I believe everyone in mens elite finals with electronic suspension lockout/firm up was on the podium--I do not think that was a coincidence. Yes, they are all top dogs already, but add 3 seconds to everyone with electronic suspension's times and the results still look like a normal world cup, but all the electronic guys are not all on the podium/dominating so hard.
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket...
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket even). Rockshox product is basically ready for sale now. ... And Fox will probably catch up enough that most of their world cup athletes will be on it next season. Ohlin's athletes might be up shit creek though as they've moving much slower.
The electronic lockout/firm up definitely made a difference on tracks like Fort William where there is a lot of out of the saddle sprinting. Locking a shock out (or even putting it in trail mode) on a 140mm bike makes a difference in a sprint. Let alone a 200mm bike with coil shock! It is entirely possible that those with lock-out/firm up were able to make 2-3 seconds (easily more) of time up because of it on a pedally track like Fort William. I believe everyone in mens elite finals with electronic suspension lockout/firm up was on the podium--I do not think that was a coincidence. Yes, they are all top dogs already, but add 3 seconds to everyone with electronic suspension's times and the results still look like a normal world cup, but all the electronic guys are not all on the podium/dominating so hard.
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge disadavantage. and if it‘s gonna be available i see forks exceeding 3k and shox for 2,5k or more. so it‘s gonna be even harder for people who are on a budget.
On the Downtime post-race show they mentioned the KODS (Keep Our Device Secret) on Amaury's bike and were speculating that it was an electronically controlled position adjuster for the idler.
On the Downtime post-race show they mentioned the KODS (Keep Our Device Secret) on Amaury's bike and were speculating that it was an electronically controlled position...
On the Downtime post-race show they mentioned the KODS (Keep Our Device Secret) on Amaury's bike and were speculating that it was an electronically controlled position adjuster for the idler.
Pretty wild if that's what it is...
I also saw on an early practice clip from him that extra „tube“ (like a Vorsprung Secus but bigger) on the top right of the stanchion.
I think these were mentioned before to be some sort of anti-vibration device found in MX too? Has anybody anymore info on that?
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket...
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket even). Rockshox product is basically ready for sale now. ... And Fox will probably catch up enough that most of their world cup athletes will be on it next season. Ohlin's athletes might be up shit creek though as they've moving much slower.
The electronic lockout/firm up definitely made a difference on tracks like Fort William where there is a lot of out of the saddle sprinting. Locking a shock out (or even putting it in trail mode) on a 140mm bike makes a difference in a sprint. Let alone a 200mm bike with coil shock! It is entirely possible that those with lock-out/firm up were able to make 2-3 seconds (easily more) of time up because of it on a pedally track like Fort William. I believe everyone in mens elite finals with electronic suspension lockout/firm up was on the podium--I do not think that was a coincidence. Yes, they are all top dogs already, but add 3 seconds to everyone with electronic suspension's times and the results still look like a normal world cup, but all the electronic guys are not all on the podium/dominating so hard.
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge...
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge disadavantage. and if it‘s gonna be available i see forks exceeding 3k and shox for 2,5k or more. so it‘s gonna be even harder for people who are on a budget.
Props to Dakotah for getting up there without the electronics!
From what I recall, Flight Attendant is only the upper portion of a normal charger damper that gets replaced. I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up if riders outside of the Blackbox umbrella wanted to give it a try. At the same time, it'll be interesting to see if the systems stay on for the entire season or get swapped out on steeper tracks.
I also saw on an early practice clip from him that extra „tube“ (like a Vorsprung Secus but bigger) on the top right of the stanchion. ...
I also saw on an early practice clip from him that extra „tube“ (like a Vorsprung Secus but bigger) on the top right of the stanchion.
I think these were mentioned before to be some sort of anti-vibration device found in MX too? Has anybody anymore info on that?
Is there a rule that they can not have any two way GPS communication on the bikes? I dont feel like we are super far off...
Is there a rule that they can not have any two way GPS communication on the bikes? I dont feel like we are super far off from them being able to collect enough data that they can have the suspension settings change according to GPS position and get rid of the buttons all together.
They should probably have a rule that states that, they have a similar rule in Supercross GPS usage is allowed but nothing is allowed to be two way communicated so its purely data acquisition.
You dont want it to be GPS-based
GPS is easy to interfere with by a third party e.g. changing the location from steepest parts of ft bill to boardwalks
my bet it can be something similar to time tracking chips and gates where you can actually control the medium and ensure it is coming from trusted sources
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge...
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge disadavantage. and if it‘s gonna be available i see forks exceeding 3k and shox for 2,5k or more. so it‘s gonna be even harder for people who are on a budget.
and that‘s bad how? you can‘t show up on a formula 1 event in a clapped out gold gti and expect to be allowed to race either.
Looks like the bleeder valves changed to skirt the fox lawsuit. Looking like a rotational knob versus depressing the valve on current models?
Already seen these out in the wild on some current Zebs and a 38mm Boxxer. Definitely to get around whoever holds the patent. It's a knurled thumbscrew with a 4mm hex hole that simply goes into the same threads. Crack it a turn or so and you can hear it equalise.
The Lyrik I got recently has the knurled screws instead of the buttons that my 2 Zebs from last year had. When I did some research, I found some YouTube video saying that it was a running change that supposedly was better at minimizing the amount of oil that can burp out during the process. I haven't gone up to any high elevations with the new style valves to try it yet, but the old push button ones did burp out a noticeable of oil.
Already seen these out in the wild on some current Zebs and a 38mm Boxxer. Definitely to get around whoever holds the patent. It's a knurled...
Already seen these out in the wild on some current Zebs and a 38mm Boxxer. Definitely to get around whoever holds the patent. It's a knurled thumbscrew with a 4mm hex hole that simply goes into the same threads. Crack it a turn or so and you can hear it equalise.
Looks like the bleeder valves changed to skirt the fox lawsuit. Looking like a rotational knob versus depressing the valve on current models?
That's nuts if Fox can sue for that. Bleeders have been around in moto for years. I don't know who did it on mtb forks first, but it wasn't Fox; my ~2014 X-Fusion RV1 had them.
That's nuts if Fox can sue for that. Bleeders have been around in moto for years. I don't know who did it on mtb forks first...
That's nuts if Fox can sue for that. Bleeders have been around in moto for years. I don't know who did it on mtb forks first, but it wasn't Fox; my ~2014 X-Fusion RV1 had them.
I believe Manitou did it first on the Dorado but they were also set screws on the top caps. The first 40 with an air spring in 2013 was the first fork I remember seeing them on with a button-style valve. It's still crazy that they can sue for something like that. Luckily, the new twist to open valves seem to work a lot faster and not leak oil over time.
I’d love to know if Acros is paying companies to run they’re plastic crap headsets
slowmo vid from fort william and lawlor. tons of cool stuff to check out and see suspension moving (we're calling it bike magic this year instead of bike abuse b/c the algorithm does not like violence LOL)
daprela's bike
I'm holding out for Charger 6.9
Has anyone put together or worked out how many of the top 5/10 from this weekend were on electric suspension of some type?
1. Loic - yes
2. Troy - yes
3. Finn - yes
4. Dak - no
5. Luca - yes
1. Vali - yes
2. Nina - no
3. Tahnee - no
4. Camille - no
5. Gloria Scarsi - ?
Troy, Finn and Luca - yes.
You could throw Asa in there as well, he was on a Fox RAD electronic shock.
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb26602671/p5pb26602671.jpg
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p6pb26602719/p6pb26602719.jpg
ASA and Luca both running 'sensors' on their brake levers. Easier to see on Asa's. Looks like proximity sensor between lever and bar to measure how much/when they're braking. This might be part of normal telemetry setup but was on 'race day'?
Coming up 12 months on mine, zero issues & it's been thrashed at Queenstown, coronet, cardrona and even survived the bone rattler in the adventure park.
maybe an older not so refined version since he doesn‘t seem to be factory supported.
seems like electronic suspension is here to stay even in DH. i love innovation but am not a big fan when it‘s getting too far so that it isn‘t a leveled playing field anymore. since only the top factory riders are gonna have the chance of using that stuff it‘s gonna get harder for the smaller teams who don‘t have access to it. they are already at a disadvantage when i look at how many line spotters the big teams employ. before you could at least buy the same suspension as the factory guys. time will tell if my concerns are valid
Looks like the bleeder valves changed to skirt the fox lawsuit. Looking like a rotational knob versus depressing the valve on current models?
Is there a rule that they can not have any two way GPS communication on the bikes? I dont feel like we are super far off from them being able to collect enough data that they can have the suspension settings change according to GPS position and get rid of the buttons all together.
They should probably have a rule that states that, they have a similar rule in Supercross GPS usage is allowed but nothing is allowed to be two way communicated so its purely data acquisition.
This will be the season of haves/have-nots with electronic suspension. By the 2025 season anyone running Rockshox will be able to access it (buy it aftermarket even). Rockshox product is basically ready for sale now. ... And Fox will probably catch up enough that most of their world cup athletes will be on it next season. Ohlin's athletes might be up shit creek though as they've moving much slower.
The electronic lockout/firm up definitely made a difference on tracks like Fort William where there is a lot of out of the saddle sprinting. Locking a shock out (or even putting it in trail mode) on a 140mm bike makes a difference in a sprint. Let alone a 200mm bike with coil shock! It is entirely possible that those with lock-out/firm up were able to make 2-3 seconds (easily more) of time up because of it on a pedally track like Fort William. I believe everyone in mens elite finals with electronic suspension lockout/firm up was on the podium--I do not think that was a coincidence. Yes, they are all top dogs already, but add 3 seconds to everyone with electronic suspension's times and the results still look like a normal world cup, but all the electronic guys are not all on the podium/dominating so hard.
AFAIK rocksox said they have no plans on selling the DH version of FA after market. if that stays the case there will be a huge disadavantage. and if it‘s gonna be available i see forks exceeding 3k and shox for 2,5k or more. so it‘s gonna be even harder for people who are on a budget.
On the Downtime post-race show they mentioned the KODS (Keep Our Device Secret) on Amaury's bike and were speculating that it was an electronically controlled position adjuster for the idler.
Pretty wild if that's what it is...
I also saw on an early practice clip from him that extra „tube“ (like a Vorsprung Secus but bigger) on the top right of the stanchion.
I think these were mentioned before to be some sort of anti-vibration device found in MX too? Has anybody anymore info on that?
Props to Dakotah for getting up there without the electronics!
From what I recall, Flight Attendant is only the upper portion of a normal charger damper that gets replaced. I wonder how difficult it would be to rig up if riders outside of the Blackbox umbrella wanted to give it a try. At the same time, it'll be interesting to see if the systems stay on for the entire season or get swapped out on steeper tracks.
Here's the moto version that I'm aware of:
https://countershox.com/
You dont want it to be GPS-based
GPS is easy to interfere with by a third party e.g. changing the location from steepest parts of ft bill to boardwalks
my bet it can be something similar to time tracking chips and gates where you can actually control the medium and ensure it is coming from trusted sources
and that‘s bad how? you can‘t show up on a formula 1 event in a clapped out gold gti and expect to be allowed to race either.
Already seen these out in the wild on some current Zebs and a 38mm Boxxer. Definitely to get around whoever holds the patent. It's a knurled thumbscrew with a 4mm hex hole that simply goes into the same threads. Crack it a turn or so and you can hear it equalise.
The Lyrik I got recently has the knurled screws instead of the buttons that my 2 Zebs from last year had. When I did some research, I found some YouTube video saying that it was a running change that supposedly was better at minimizing the amount of oil that can burp out during the process. I haven't gone up to any high elevations with the new style valves to try it yet, but the old push button ones did burp out a noticeable of oil.
Here they are on my new Range:
That's nuts if Fox can sue for that. Bleeders have been around in moto for years. I don't know who did it on mtb forks first, but it wasn't Fox; my ~2014 X-Fusion RV1 had them.
I believe Manitou did it first on the Dorado but they were also set screws on the top caps. The first 40 with an air spring in 2013 was the first fork I remember seeing them on with a button-style valve. It's still crazy that they can sue for something like that. Luckily, the new twist to open valves seem to work a lot faster and not leak oil over time.
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